塞思·卡拉曼的智慧(1)
(2009-10-08 14:20:51)
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Wisdom from Seth Klarman - Part 1
Seth Klarman and Baupost are in the news lately
regarding the CIT Group Inc (CIT)
bailout. While I do not want to delve into specifics, I will say
that, outside the chance of fraudulent transfer / conveyance / some
other quirky bankruptcy ruling dealing with the rescue financing, I
would buy the new L+1000 loan (3% floor) all day long...especially
if I was getting a 5 point advance fee. Currently in the grey
market (when-issued) it is trading at 104-105 without the
fee.
As we have not discussed Klarman or Baupost in the past few months,
I thought I would take a few moments to pull out some of the more
educational quotes from his fund letters through 2004-2007 (note: I
do not have the fund letter from 2008...just the portions that were
posted in a recent issue of Value Investor Insight).
Before I start pulling out some of my more favorite Seth Klarman
quotes, I want to point our reader to a post by Sivaram Velauthapillai, at his contrarian investment blog, where he discusses
Seth Klarman's performance in relation to Warren Buffett (WEB). Now
admittedly, Sivaram admits he does not know much about Seth
Klarman, and really was pulling information from a document I
alerted readers to a while back: old Seth Klarman Fund Letters. A
few comments have already corrected him, but just to reiterate:
As of the end of 2007, Klarman was CRUSHING
the S&P since the inception of the fund. The lowest
return of the three classes of his funds, from inception, was
5903.7% cumulative return (10434.2% for the largest inception
return). And no I did not place the decimal in the wrong point. The
S&P in the same period return came in at
1828.4%. So despite lagging the
S&P in the go/go years of the 90s, he maintained
his capital base when the market gave a lot back in 2000-2002 and
the rest is history. In 2008, press reports stated that Klarman was
down low double digits. I can neither confirm nor deny this.
Nonetheless, the S&P was down ~38.5% ... further
extending Baupost's lead.
In response to the blog post specificially: I understand the point
about Klarman under-performing the S&P in the go-go
years. I get it. But, the problem in looking at any one's record at
any one point in time is that the past is the past. If you had
looked at John Paulson's merger arbitrage flagship fund in the
beginning of 2007 you may say to yourself: "Well, this fund...you
know, it has been just doing OK" ... and then he goes out and
throws a +50% net to investors year in 2007 versus a nearly flat
market. On the flip side you could look to any number of funds that
were putting up annualized returns in the high 20s to low 30s up to
2008 and were down 50-60% last year bringing their cumulative
returns to mere marginal levels.
Extending this to fundamental analysis, take a guess who's returns
these are:
1991: 14.9%
1992: 28.1%
1993: 27.7%
1994: 22.3%
1995: 11.3%
1996: 21.2%
1997: 22.1%
1998: 19.2%
1999: 16.1%
2000: 15.9%
2001: 11.7%
2002: 15.7%
2003: 17.7%
2004: 17.0%
2005: 15.2%
2006: 18.3%
2007: 1.8%
They are the reported return on equity of Bear Stearn (贝尔斯登)(as
reported from Bloomberg)...right up until the very end. As Seth
Klarman writes in his 2004 letter, "While
others attempt to win every lap around the track, it is crucial to
remember that to succeed at investing, you have to be around at the
finish."
Now onto some more Seth Klarman wisdom. I am going to a few quotes
from each letter (2004-2007) that I find particularly insightful
regarding the investment and portfolio management process.
From the Baupost 2004 letter:
"By holding expensive securities
with low prospective returns, people choose to risk actual loss. We
prefer the risk of lost opportunity to that of lost capital, and
agree wholeheartedly with the sentiment espoused by respected value
investor Jean-Marie Eveillard, when he said, "I would rather lose
half our shareholders...than lose half our shareholder's
money..."持有昂贵的低潜在回报的股票,人们选择了甘冒损失的风险。我们宁愿失去机会,也不愿意损失资本,我们非常同意深受尊敬的价值投资者Jean-Marie
Eveillard的观点:我宁愿失去我们一半的客户,也不愿失去我们客户一半的钱。
That is just a spectacular quote (both Klarman's and Eveillard's).
It's also why, as my readers are more than aware, I prefer current
paying, senior-secured bank debt. Risk of permanent capital is low,
I am getting paid to wait, there is a definite catalyst in
emergence, and I have some control over the process. More quotes
from the 2004 letter:
"We continue to adhere to a
common-sense view of risk - how much we can lose and the
probability of losing it. While this perspective may seem over
simplisticor even hopelessly outdated, we believe it provides a
vital clarity about the true risks in investing."
Another great quote
from Seth Klarman. Risk is not beta or standard deviation...it is
how much you can lose on an investment and what the chance is that
"loss" scenario is going to play out.
And finally, from the 2004 letter (I am going to jump around on
this one for full effect):
"Markets are inefficient because
of human nature - innate, deep-rooted, permanent. People don't
consciously choose to invest with emotion - they simply can't help
it.
因为人的天生的、根深蒂固的、永恒的本性,所以市场是非有效的。人们不是有意识地情绪化投资,是因为人们无法控制自己。
"So if the entire country became securities analysts,
memorized
"In short, we believe market
efficiency is a fine academic theory that is unlikely ever to bear
meaningful resemblance to the real world of
investing."
Wisdom from Seth Klarman - Part 2
Last week, we posted some quotes and commentary on the Baupost 2004
Letter to Investors penned by Seth Klarman. We continue our wisdom
/ quotes from the Baupost 2005 letter.
First of all, they posted a return of 11.22% for the year, with
3.32% of the gain coming from "non-performing
debt."不良债券 Further this position represented ~15% of the NAV
at year end. When the odds are in your favor, you bet big. Most
people in the distressed debt can guess what this position is...My
personal guess is Enron. There was a video floating around on the
interweb, where Seth Klarman gave a speech to Columbia business
school students, where he mentions Enron. From Gurufocus (via Alex
Bossert's Value Investing Blog):
"Baupost invested in Enron’s senior
debt 优先债and he said that would
be an example of his favorite type of investment. The situation had
a lot of complexity, hard to analyze, a lot of litigation,
uncertainty and no one wanted to be associated with anything Enron
creating a huge mispricing. Baupost bought the debt for 10-15 cents
on the dollar. It comes down to assessing assets minus liabilities.
After a few years most of Enron’s assets were cash $16-18 billion
but the liabilities were extremely complicated, with over 1,000
subsidiaries. Baupost had one analyst focus solely on Enron for
over 4 years and try to figure out its liabilities and how much
they would get back on the bonds. Baupost believed that the people
liquidating Enron were low balling what they would get back on the
bonds. The people liquidating Enron were very pessimistic and they
originally estimated that the bonds would get back 17 cents on the
dollar at the same time the debt traded for 14-15 cents, Baupost
estimated that the debt would recover 30-40 cents and as of now
they believe it will be more then 50 cents."
My old fund had a large position in Enron, in which I was the
analyst, and the time frame pretty much matches with the movements
of the bonds. We owned the Class 4's with S (if you do not know
what that means, don't worry about it). I do not know the exact
vehicle Baupost would of invested, but it looked like they made a
nice chunk of change (as many distressed funds did).
Back to the Baupost letter now.
"For most investments, much can
go wrong, including numerous factors beyond an investor's control:
the economy, the markets, interest rates, the
dollar, war, politics, tax rates, new technology, labor problems,
competition, litigation, natural disasters, fraud, dilution,
accounting gimmicks, and corporate mismanagement.
在大多数投资中,很多都发生问题,下面的很多因素都不是投资者能控制的:经济、市场、利率、美元、战争、政治、税率、新技术、工会问题、竞争、诉讼、自然灾害、欺诈、稀释、会计暗算、公司管理不当。Some
but not all of these risks can be hedged, often only imprecisely
and always at some cost. Other factors are under an investor's
control, but are not always controlled: discipline; consistency;
remaining within your circle of competence; matched duration of
client capital with underlying investments; prudent
diversification; reacting rationally to news or market
developments; and of course, not
overpaying"其它一些因素是投资者可以控制的,但却经常不被控制,如,纪律、一致性、待在能力圈、谨慎多样化、根据客户资金的使用期来匹配投资、对新闻和市场,当然,还要买得不要太高。
One of the characteristics that has impressed from reading Klarman
is how consistent he seems. He does not seem to waver from his
strategy. I know he has used options and very tight CDS
(specifically sovereigns) to hedge his portfolio. Those factors
where he commented that are under our control...well we should
spend 90% of our time thinking about them and not worrying if the
market will finish higher a month from now. For our next quote,
Klarman discusses Baupost's investment returns:
"Is or past success the result of
skill or luck? Is it replicable, or merely a lengthy run of good
fortune? We are confident that our success has not been the result
of a favorable spin of a roulette wheel or a timely roll of the
dice. It has been truncated, not heightened, risk. Our gains over
the years have been earned, banked, redeployed into the next
advantageous investment, and thereby compounded, again and again.
With sound investment principles, a committed and dedicated
investment organization, a healthy and vigilant awareness of what
can go wrong, and a strong sell discipline, investing is more akin
to a high-yielding, periodically volatile, and non-guaranteed bank
account than a game of chance. Can gains be lost? Of course they
can, through laziness, sloppiness or hubris. Buck such a reversal
is hardly inevitable, especially when one is aware of these risks.
We work assiduously to maintain our gains, emphasizing as always
the preservation of capital and, only when attractive opportunities
become available, its enhancement."
One of the reasons I like this quote is because it pretty much puts
to rest the buy and hold argument. Klarman buys, and when the
offered return vs downside risk is against him, he banks the gain
and waits for another attractive opportunity. Too many times, hedge
fund managers get sucked into a story of a never ending bullish
sentiment on a particular stock. Yes, intrinsic value changes
throughout the life of an investment. But when a stock is trading
at 125% of your IV target, it's hard not to bank some of those
gains. And in the final sentence, Klarman again differentiates the
return of capital vs return on capital, something that I talk about
way too much on this medium.
A few other sets of quotes I really liked:
"While you know that our
investments often stand apart from those of the crowd, you may not
be aware of how deeply this contrarianism permeates our activities.
Our investments can be remarkably contrary; we regularly search the
"new low" list for investment ideas, while shunning names on the
"new high" list. We purchase what the crowd is dumping. We
typically buy stocks in the face of Wall Street "sell"
recommendations, and reduce positions in their "buys" We eagerly
assess financially distressed companies for opportunity while the
world experiences revulsion. For us, analytically complex,
litigious, stigmatized, and shunned situations bought at the right
price form the backbone of a limited risk portfolio of
opportunity."
Contrarian for the win. Some more nuggets:
"Rather than ratchet up risk, our approach has been to hold cash
in the absence of opportunity, accepting a minor diminution in
expected return where, and only where, the historic returns have
been particularly out sized for the risk. There was never any
logic, for example, behind the consensus industry annual return
targets of 20% or more on bankrupt bonds or private investments. At
times, an expected 15-18% return is ample, given the qualify of the
underlying assets, the conservative nature of the assumptions made,
and the limited spectrum of things that can go wrong. Other times,
even a projected 25-30% return might be inadequate, where the
quality of the assets is suspect, the return is earned in a risky
and unhedged currency, and the downside risk is larger than usual.
The quality of management must be factored in. The expected
duration of an investment may also play a role; a short-dated
investment earning inadequate return is over soon, and one can move
on to better opportunity. Long duration mistakes are the gifts that
keep on taking, locking you in to low returns, or significant
capital losses if you exit early."
And finally:
"We believe that while investors
need to focus great attention on the fundamentals, they must
simultaneously answer the question: What's your edge? To succeed in
today's overcrowded environment, investors need an edge, an
advantage over the competition, to help them allocate their scarce
time. Since most everyone has access to complete and accurate
databases, powerful computers, and well-trained analytical talent,
these resource provide less and less of a competitive edge; they
are necessary but not sufficient. You cannot have an edge doing
what everyone else is doing; to add value you must stand apart from
the crowd. And when you do, you benefit from watching the
competition at work."
This 2005 Letter may need a second post. Seth Klarman offers many
more nuggets of wisdom. Stay tuned.