So we still haven’t talked much about software yet. Where does software fit in all this?
    《新企业》：我们还没怎么谈过软件，配合上述研究，你们的软件已经做到了哪一步？

                            

    We’ve created a new information analytics lab. It’s led by Laura Hill, who came from Sun Labs. What they’re trying to do is look at all the structured and unstructured data. About 80 to 90 percent of it is going to be unstructured. The key is tying it together with the structured data and do really deep analytics on that. The work that is going there is being leveraged with a new company that we acquired, called Vertica. It’s now sitting as an incubator within Shane’s organization [Office of Strategy and Technology]. And so Vertica and the information and analytics lab are working very closely together on some of the future analytics opportunities for both consumers and enterprises.
    Banerjee：我们创建了一个新的信息分析实验室，由曾经在Sun实验室工作过的Laura Hill带领。我们的研究方向是观察一切结构化以及非结构化的数据。通常有将近80%至90%的数据是非结构化的。该研究的核心是，将这些非结构化的数据与结构化的数据结合，进行一些非常深入的分析。这项研究得到了Vertica——一家我们收购的公司——的协助。它已经成为Shane那边战略与技术办公室的一个孵化器。因此Vertica和信息分析实验室的合作相当紧密，主要研究面向消费者和企业的未来分析机会。

    Having seen some of the troubles that have taken place at Amazon recently, in your view and HP’s view what does the cloud need?
    《新企业》：貌似最近Amazon那边出了一些麻烦，在你和惠普看来，云计算需要什么？

    I don’t want to comment specifically on anything taking place at another company. But when we started our work on scalable storage, there were three goals toward that project. One was tremendous scale. We defined that as hundreds or thousands of petabytes, even exabytes of information. That’s a tremendous amount of information that you want to store, not in one data center or even two but in hundreds of data centers. And the reason we wanted to do it that way was to address some of the issues that Amazon has faced. Amazon currently has about six data centers around the world. We are trying to design something for a hundred around the world. The second reason is availability. We want to design a system that is 99.999 percent available. Whatever happens you should always be able to access your data. That is a core tenet to doing these things. And the third is low cost. The world knows how to do two of these things simultaneously but not three. You can do large scale and high availability, but it will cost you a ton of money. The world also knows how to do large scale, low cost, but it fails all the time. The world does not yet know how to do large scale, highly available storage at low cost. And that is a key bit of IP that was created at HP Labs. It’s based on erasure coding, which is a coding technique that’s been around for many years. The innovation is how we applied it in a system-level setting using software, using these low-cost disks that we get from the hardware world. And that innovation allows us to have high availability at low cost. Once HP has this kind of public cloud storage, we think we’ll have a service that is very resilient.
    Banerjee：我并不想特别评论发生在别的公司的事情，在我们开始研究可延展存储的时候，主要有三个目标。第一是超大规模的存储，我们将它定义为成百上千个PB，甚至EB的规模。你想要存储的超大型数据不是一两个数据中心可以完成的，而是需要上百个数据中心。我们想这样做的理由正是为了解决Amazon面对的问题。Amazon在全球有六个数据中心，我们则希望能够在世界范围内建立大概一百个。第二是可用性。我们希望建立一个可用性达到99.999%的系统。无论在什么情况下你都能够接触你的数据，这是最关键的核心。第三是低成本。大家都知道如何同时达成前两条，但是目前没有人能把这三条都做到。你可以拥有具有高可用的超大规模数据，但是这需要非常多的投入。你也可以做到低成本拥有大规模数据，但是总是会出现问题。没有人知道如何同时做到超大规模存储，高可用性的同时，保持低成本。这也正是惠普实验室所创造的知识财产的核心，它基于纠偏编码，一种出现了许多年的编码技术。其创新在于，我们如何在系统级软件设置，以及采用低成本磁盘的情况下使用这种编码。而且，这一创新使得我们可以在低成本的情况下保持高可用性。一旦惠普拥有了类似的公共云存储，我想我们将推出这种具有非凡弹性的服务。

    The other fundamental concern in the cloud is around security. What can HP offer on the cloud security front?
    《新企业》：另外一个关于云的基本问题就是安全，在云安全方面，惠普能够提供什么？

    One of our labs is devoted just to cloud security. We have two things cooking related to cloud security. One thread is security analytics. When you have a large complex enterprise and IT organization, often CIOs have no clue how secure they are. They think they’re secure. They patch their systems regularly and they hope to God they are secure. But the security threats keep changing, and so there’s a constant battle for resources. Currently at a very frivolous level, the strategy of many CIOs is to keep adding security until you run out of budget. There’s either a cap on dollars, or people or time. Somehow you have to cap the number of security dollars. We’ve done some deep research on determining how secure you really are. We came up with a demonstration this year called G-Cloud or Government Cloud. We will provide a dashboard regarding how secure your cloud infrastructure is as the world around you is trying to create new threats. The other thread that is going is around trusted virtualization that is highly relevant to what Leo talked about. What we are doing is to provide this seamless view from the consumer view to the enterprise view. Well, what does that mean? Today you can talk to large organizations like HP, and our CIO will not allow random devices on the system. It has to be an HP-approved device. And here there are these young people trying to bring these gadgets like the iPhone and the CIOs will not let you do that. However in the consumer world, people love the touch interfaces you get on those devices. But you can’t use the same device in the enterprise world. The technology we’ve come up with is trusted virtualization. We provide a consumer view and an enterprise view. And these two worlds will not clash. We keep them completely secure, and running on the same device. It will run on either a Web OS device or on a Windows PC. It will provide a completely bulletproof consumer and enterprise experience.
    Banerjee：我们众多实验室中的一个就是专门研究云安全问题的。目前有两个方面与云安全相关。第一是安全分析。当你拥有一个大型、结构复杂的企业和IT部门的时候，通常CIO们很难知道企业的IT安全性到底如何。他们觉得自己是安全的，他们会定期打补丁，然后求上帝保佑IT安全。但是安全威胁是在不断改变的，因此对于相关资源就有了不断的争夺，包括资金、人才或者时间。不管为什么，你总得在安全上进行一些投入。我们在调查IT环境安全性上进行了一些深入研究。今年，我们主要展示了政府云或称作G云。我们还将提供一个指示面板，来显示随着你周围安全威胁的改变，你的IT安全度会发生什么变化。第二是关于高可信度的虚拟化，这与李艾科的谈话紧密相关。我们要做的是，提供一个从消费者角度和企业角度都可称得上无缝的视图。那么，这是一个什么东西？今天类似惠普这样的大型企业，我们的CIO们是不允许随便什么设备都能安装进系统的，必须是经过惠普认证的设备。这就出现了一种情况，年轻员工想使用iPhone这样的设备，可CIO们不允许他们这么做。但是在消费者世界中，人们喜欢这类设备的触摸屏，在企业环境中你却不能使用它们。我们在研究的技术即是一种高可信度的虚拟化。我们可以提供一个消费者视图和一个企业视图，这两个世界不会碰撞。我们可以在同一个设备上运行它们，而始终保持高安全性，无论它们是基于Web OS的设备还是一台装有Windows的PC。它将为消费者体验和企业体验提供全方位的安全。