加载中…F-60让巴铁论坛各国网友吵翻了:再曝中国军工惊天秘密
(2012-07-12 11:15:55)
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China SAC 5th gen F-60 is fornavy and export purposes, said by PUPU
PUPU说，中国沈飞五代机F-60是供海军使用以及出口
1. rcrmj（中国 中国）（译注：前者为国家或地区，后者为所在地）
Re: The new SAC 5 generationstealth fighter？
回复：新的沈飞五代隐形战机？
I just spent one hour on this thread
pupu
我只花一个小时在这个话题上。
Pupu
the 'insider' pupu says thatPLAAF will not induct F-60, as it is primary designed for Navy and exportpurposes (he didnt mention Pakistan)....the F-60 primary emphazies on stealth, then weapon capacity and range,manuvability is at the last``!!! and he also mentioned that F-60 is not theonly stealth project going on at SAC, there is going to be another one, aslightly logner (18m) medium weight stealth fighters to compliment CAC's J-20to dominate future sky```!!!
内部人士‘PUPU’说，中国人民解放军空军不会装备F-60，由于它最开始是为了海军和出口（他没提巴基斯坦）而设计…F-60重点强调隐身性然后是载弹量和航程，机动性是最后考虑的东西！！！他也提到F-60不是沈飞唯一上马的隐形机工程，还有另外一个，一个稍微长点的（18m）中型隐形战机来辅助成飞的J-20，共同支配未来的天空！！！
he sateted that CAC is also deveoping a navyversion J-20 (smaller
size and weight) to compete with SAC's F-60 for PLAN'saircraft
carrier's aircraft`````!!
他说成飞也在开发一种海军版的J-20（体积和重量更小）与成飞的F-60竞争上航母！！
2. rcrmj（中国 中国）
China has a long tradition of focusing on agility andmaneuverbility, why all of sudden they put them as the last elements when designingF-60``?? stealthness, weapon load and range are aggression aspects of afighter```
中国有很长的注重灵活性和机动性的传统，为什么在设计F-60的时候突然把他们放在最次要位置？？隐身性，载弹量和航程对战斗机来说是进攻要素。
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3.revu(印度尼西亚 印度尼西亚)
Well, IMO it was for export, nalot of country would want a 5th gen fighter that close to a F-22.
The shape it self already similar with F-22 andF-35, it will attract a lot of country. N it will be aclear win for SAC if their second 5th gen fighter will be a plane thatlooks like a Pak-fa, with flat fuselage.
回复#2：
嗯，在我看来，它是出口用的。很多的国家想要类似F-22的第五代战斗机。
外形本身已经看起来像F-22和F-35了，它对很多国家来说有吸引力。如果沈飞的第二款五代机看起来像T-50，有扁平机身的话，沈飞会赢得一大胜利。
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4. skyknight（中国 中国）
So Pakistan Airforce will havetwo choices in 10 years， F-60 from SAC and the J-2x from CAC.
所以巴基斯坦空军在十年之后会有两个选择，沈飞的F-60和成飞的J-2x。
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5. shahzadasweet（挪威 加拿大）
i hope we buy both
回复#4：
我希望两样都买。
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6. rcrmj（中国 中国）
it is not necessary forfinancially limited Pakistan,the wise choice is to choose the most suitable ones````i believe J-2x from CACis more suitable, as it is more agile and manueverable and ideal for AAcombat````whereas, according to pupu F-60 is too aggressive (stealth, weaponcapacity and range)....
回复#5：
对于财政紧张的巴基斯坦来说不必要，明智的选择是选择最适合的那款…我相信成飞的J-2x更适合，因为它更敏捷灵活，单挑很理想。然而，据pupu所说，F-60太有侵略性了（隐身，载弹量和航程）…
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7. SinoSoldier（中国 加拿大）
What about the heavy fifthgeneration fighter from 601? It would
give Pakistan a serious advantage tomost other South Asian air
forces.
回复#6：
601所的重型第五代战机怎么样，他会让巴基斯坦在南亚拥有压倒性的空中优势。
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8. SamranAli（巴基斯坦 巴基斯坦）
yes J -2x will be more betterfor Pakistan.
Is there another 5th gen fighter other than J-2x and F-60?
是的，J-2x更适合巴基斯坦。
回复#7：
除了J-2x 和F-60还有另外一个五代机吗？
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9. SinoSoldier（中国 加拿大）
J-20 and an unnamed one being built
回复#8：
J-20和另一款不知名战机正在被研制。
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10. S10（中国加拿大）
SAC funded this project out oftheir own pocket mostly, and can be seen as their attempts to turn the table.CAC is stealing their thunder through J-10, JF-17 and J-20. Meanwhile, SAC isin a tough spot since they only have the Flanker series to play with (J-11B,J-15, J-16).
If they don't lock up that navy contract tight,it's the end of the
road for them as a first tier arms developer.
这个项目大部分是沈飞自掏腰包，可以被看做是他们扭转局面的尝试。成飞通过J-10，JF-17和J-20抢走了他们的风头。同时，沈飞处于一种尴尬的境地，他们只能玩侧卫系列（J-11B, J-15, J-16）。
如果他们不能紧紧抓住海军的合同，那就会是他们作为一线武器研发部门的末路了。
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11. sohailbarki（巴基斯坦）
IS there any concept sketch ofthis aircraft ? can someone post it.
有这种飞机任何概念轮廓吗？有人能贴出来么？
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12 rcrmj（中国 中国）
no, there are only two 5th genfighter from SAC, so it will be J-2x if PAF is really interested
I do not know, but by goingthrough that forum, i am getting the idea that since SAC lost heavy 5th genproject to CAC, so it is very likely SAC is going to develop a medium weight5th gen rather than heavier ones```
because according to insiders, CAC's J-20 isnation's top prioroty project which will serve as the prime fighter of PLAAF,but at the meantime PLAAF also need a lower-end 5th gen fighter to complimentit
回复#8：
不，沈飞只有两种五代机，如果巴基斯坦军队有兴趣的话，我想会是J-2x。
回复#7：
我不知道，但是翻看那个论坛，我得知由于沈飞在重型五代机上输给了成飞，所以沈飞更可能研发一种中型五代而并非重型。
因为据内部人士讲，成飞的J-20是国家的最优先项目，它会成为解放军空军的主力，但是同时，解放军空军也需要一种低端的五代机来辅助。
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13. tvsram1992（印度 印度）
How many 5th gen aircraftprojects are handled by China? China is intelligent ,they might produce some thing like Jf17 specially for Pakistan to satisfy and cool them .
中国到底在搞多少种五代机？中国很聪明，他们可能像JF-17那样专门为巴基斯坦生产一些东西来满足他们，使他们冷静。
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14. rcrmj（中国 中国）
I dont have it, and the forumdoesnt have it neither, because no one (the wall climbing enthusiastists donthave any atm) has it, and the insiders wont show it```
this is the cloest we can get and it is verylikely to he F-60
honestly no one knows```but theknown ones are CAC's J-20 (currently flying) and the SAC's F-60 (the one on thetruck)````
even insiders are saying there are at least 4including J-20 and F-60, but it could be camoflash to creat 'smoke' to puzzleU.S.A's intellegence or others
回复#11：
我没有，论坛里也没有，因为没人（爬墙爱好者没有收获）有，内部人士不可能展示给我们看的。
这个是我们能看到的展示，它很可能是F-60。
回复#13：
坦白说没人知道，但是被人所知的是成飞的J-20（当前在试飞）和沈飞的F-60（卡车上那个）。
甚至内部人士说包括J-20 和F-60至少有四种，但是也可能是烟雾弹来迷惑美军智囊和其他人。
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15. Pakistanisage（巴基斯坦 美国）
Don't worry about us , Genius.
We Pakistanis are pretty COOL already...
回复#13：
别担心我们，天才
我们巴基斯坦人已经很cool了…
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16. tvsram1992（印度 印度）
Is J20 and JXX same ?
回复#14：
J20和JXX是一回事么？
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17. skyknight（中国 中国）
No, J20 is from CAC,
the Jxx maybe from SAC or CAC, it‘s only a 5-genproject code
name。
回复#16：
不是，J20 来自成飞。
JXX来自沈飞成飞说不准，它只是一个五代机项目的代号。
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18. rcrmj（中国 中国）
no``JXX is temp name for allunknown fighter projects in China``
回复#16：
不是，JXX是中国所有未知战斗机项目的临时代号。
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19. cb4（巴基斯坦 加拿大）
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20. tvsram1992（印度 印度）
I thought XX(roman)=20 so JXXis J20 . Other meaning was 'X' is used to represent unknown and secret justlike USAdoes ...
回复#17、#18：
我认为XX（罗马数字）=20，所以JXX是J20 。其他的意思是‘X’被用来代表未知和机密，像美国那样…
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21. cb4（巴基斯坦 加拿大）
Any additional information onthe J2-X? Will it be called JF-17
Block 3 or will it be somethingvery new?
回复#4：
有关于J2X的其他信息么？它被称为JF-17Block 3或是别的新名字？
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22. skyknight（中国中国）
Before the J-20 came out，the outside called the unknown Chinese5-gen project as ：JXX， which was considered under development
in SAC。
China never officially name the 5-gen project as"J-XX", it is only a code name created by the outside,
which could explained as all the unknown 5-genaircraft being developed by SAC or CAC。
回复#20：
在J20出来之前，外界把中国的未知五代机项目称作JXX，被认为在沈飞研发。
中国从来没有官方命名五代机项目为“JXX”的，只是被外界起的代号，可以解释为所有沈飞和成飞研发的未知五代机。
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23. skyknight（中国 中国）
The insiders in Chinesemilitary forum said CAC is developing J-10C and also a medium stealth fighterfor export is planned,
JF-17 is too small ，no potential to be improved to a stealthfight（it is too difficult to installa weaponbay）。
回复#21：
中国军坛的内部人士说成飞正在研发J-10C和一种出口的中型隐形战斗机也在计划里。
JF-17太小了，没有可以改装成隐形战斗机的潜力（装个武器舱太难了）
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24. Nishan_101（巴基斯坦 巴基斯坦）
Due to too much US presence in PAKISTANI think that China mightlimit its technology and equipment supply to Pakistan. Can you tell me thatthose JF-17 that had arrived from China10-12 as well as those made in PAC are funded by China??? Some details please.
由于巴基斯坦内部太多美国压力，我认为中国可能限制技术和装备出口到巴基斯坦。你能告诉我那些2010-12期间中国交付，还有在巴基斯坦制造的那些JF-17是中国援助的吗？请告诉我一些细节。
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25. cirr（中国 中国）
“F-60” is passe。Let's look forward to what SAC has to offernext。
You guys won't have to wait long.
“f-60”过时了，让我们向前看看沈飞下一个会推出什么。
你们这些家伙不用等太久的。
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26. rcrmj（中国 中国）
are you one of the insiders??
回复#25：
你是内部人士之一么？？
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27. DrSomnath999（印度 印度）
no he is from our indiam forumDF 1
回复#26：
不，他来自我们印度论坛DF 1.
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28. Tshering22（印度 印度）
Well let's see which of thesejets win the government contract.
好吧，让我们看看那一架都会赢得政府订单。
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29. rcrmj（中国 中国）
J-20 will win a contract fromgovernment for sure``dont know about SAC's J-2X and F-60 (depending on wetherF-60 can win the hearts of Navy people, and foreign buyers, because pupuclearly said PLAAF wont induct F-60)
and SAC's J-2X not sure as it has to competewith CAC's medium sized J-20 version``
J-20肯定会赢得政府合同，不知道沈飞的J-2X和F-60（取决于F-60是否能赢得海军和国外买家的心，因为pupu明确说过解放军空军不会装备F-60）
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30. graphican（巴基斯坦澳大利亚）
Pakistan would at-least go for another single engine version . SoJ2-X is more likely winner than F-60.
回复#4：
巴基斯坦还需要至少一种单发版本。所以J2-X比起F-60更适合。
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32. SinoSoldier（中国加拿大）
From what it seems, the Navyand Air Force are doing separate contracts. SAC is building the J-21 for exportand the Navy, but also seems to have received funding for a heavy fifth generationfighter. CAC on the other hand seems to have received funding firsthand for theJ-20, but is unknown for the single engine variant.
Then wouldn't it make perfectsense to induct the J-21 rather than to build a brand new fighter of the sameweight class? Huzhigeng did mention a fighter with WS-15 engines, so itdefinitely points to heavyweight class.
Currently four:
- CAC J-20
- CAC J-2X
- SAC J-21
- SAC ????
The J-2X will be competing withthe J-21 for the Navy contract while the J-20 will compete or complement theJ-XX for the Air Force contract.
回复#10：
从可能的情况来看，海军和空军分别订采购合同。沈飞为海军和出口建造J21，但是似乎也因重型五代机得到了拨款。另一方面，成飞似乎因为J20直接得到了拨款，但是单发的衍生型号不清楚。
回复#12：
那么采购J21不比重新制造一种新型的同一级别战斗机感觉更好吗？Huzhigeng没提装配WS-15发动机的战机，所以它肯定指的是重型的。
回复#13：
现有的四个：
- 成飞 J-20
- 成飞 J-2X
- 沈飞 J-21
- 沈飞 ????
回复#29：
J2X与J21竞争海军的合同，J20会与JXX竞争或者配合空军的合同。
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33. tvsram1992（印度印度）
Any thing specially for Pakistan likeJf17 ? I knew Chinawill not give them sensitive tech . What about stealth version of Jf17 ?
回复#32：
有像JF17一样为巴基斯坦特别准备的吗？我知道中国不会给他们敏感技术。JF17的隐身版本怎么样？
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34. shahzadasweet（挪威 加拿大）
lol my dear when china startedthis program they asked pakistan to join in it lol =))) it was pakistan whosaid no its not russia or us who dont give their best to tech to their friends
回复#33：
LOL，亲爱的，当中国启动这个项目的时候，他们就邀请巴基斯坦参加了LOL=））），是巴基斯坦拒绝了。它不是俄罗斯或者美国那种不把最好的技术给朋友。
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35. krash（巴基斯坦 巴基斯坦）
You mean the way they've alwaysdone?
回复￥33：
你是指他们已经在做的吗？
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36. SinoSoldier（中国 加拿大）
The Chengdu J-2Xis slated for Pakistan.
回复#33：
成都的J2X是为巴基斯坦的。
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