转发《古DNA数据表明5000年以前老欧洲人父系主要是C和I 》
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古DNA数据表明5000年以前老欧洲人父系主要是C和I (2017-08-08 15:47:57)转载▼
遗传谱系开源工具网站列出了很多欧洲的古DNA,不仅证明了CF平级和迁徙伴随性,而且证明了5000年前老欧洲人父系主要是C和I。5000年以前欧洲古DNA父系4个C,4个I,甚至母系mt-U很可能是Y-C最早主要“原配”。(Genetic Genealogy Tools:
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Sample Name |
Sample Location |
GEDMatch |
Sex |
Y-DNA |
Mt-DNA |
Approx. Age by authors |
My Analysis or Comments |
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F999902 |
F |
50,000 years |
|||||
|
F999903 |
F |
30,000 years |
|||||
|
F999906 |
M |
Q1a |
D2a1 |
4,000 years |
|||
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Montana, North America |
F999919 |
M |
Q-Z780 |
D4h3a |
12,500 years |
||
|
South - Central Siberia |
F999914 |
M |
R |
U |
24,000 years |
||
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León, Spain |
F999915 |
M |
C-V183 |
U5b2c1 |
7,000 years |
||
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Östergötland, Sweden |
F999917 |
M |
I-L460 |
U2e1 |
7,000 years |
||
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Stuttgart, Germany |
F999916 |
F |
T2c2 |
7,500 years |
|||
|
|
F999918 |
M |
I-L460 |
U5b1a |
8,000 years |
||
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Sweden |
F999924 |
M |
I-CTS772 |
U4d |
5000 years |
||
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Sweden |
F999934 |
F |
H1c |
5000 years |
|||
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Cambridgshire, UK |
F999921 |
F |
H2a2b1 |
1300 years |
|||
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Cambridgshire, UK |
F999922 |
F |
K1a4a1a2b |
1300 |
|||
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Cambridgshire, UK |
F999925 |
M |
R-DF25 |
H1ag1 |
2000 years |
||
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Cambridgshire, UK |
F999926 |
F |
H2a2a1 |
1300 |
|||
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Tiszaszőlős-Domaháza, Hungary |
F999931 |
M |
I-L68 |
R3 |
5650-5780 cal BC |
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Polgár-Ferenci-hát, Hungary |
F999937 |
F |
U5b2c |
5070-5310 cal BC |
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Kompolt - Kigyósér, Hungary 匈牙利 |
F999927 |
M |
C-F3393 |
J1c |
4990-5210 cal BC |
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Apc-Berekalja I., Hungary 匈牙利 |
F999932 |
M |
C-P255 |
K1a3a3 |
4950-5300 cal BC |
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Apc-Berekalja I., Hungary |
F999928 |
M |
I-L1228 |
N1a |
4360-4490 cal BC |
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Apc-Berekalja I., Hungary |
F999930 |
F |
H |
2700-2900 cal BC |
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Ludas-Varjú-dűlő, Hungary |
F999933 |
M |
J-M67 |
K1a1a |
1110-1270 cal |
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Ludas-Varjú-dűlő, Hungary |
F999929 |
M |
N-M231 |
G2a1 |
830-980 cal BC |
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Ust'-Ishim, |
F999935 |
M |
K-M526 |
R |
45,000 years |
||
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European Russia |
F999936 |
M |
C-V199 |
U2 |
38,700-36,200 years |
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Sope, Estonia |
F999955 |
F |
H5a1 |
~2000 years |
|||
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Viby, Sweden |
F999956 |
M |
K-M1221 |
K1a2a |
4025 years |
RISE94 has matches with living people |
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Fredriksberg, Sweden |
F999945 |
CT-Y1580 |
K2a5 |
3590 years |
|||
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L Beddinge 56, Sweden |
F999941 |
M |
R-M405 |
K1b1a |
3736 years |
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Przeclawice, Poland |
F999948 |
U5a1b1 |
3469 years |
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Oxie 7, Sweden |
F999943 |
W1 |
1521 years |
||||
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Bol'shekaraganskii, Russia |
F999949 |
F |
U2e1 |
3540 years |
|||
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Erd 4, Hungary |
F999944 |
M |
I-L1228 |
T2b |
~2000 years |
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Sabinka 2, Russia |
F999950 |
M |
Q-L712 |
C4a1c |
3214 years |
||
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Arban 1, Russia |
F999958 |
M |
R-F3105 |
D4j1 |
|||
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Arban 1, Russia |
F999959 |
F |
U5a1a2a |
3070 years |
|||
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Arban 1, Russia |
F999957 |
F-P142 |
A2f2 |
~2000 years |
RISE497 has matches with living people |
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Bystrovka, Russia |
F999952 |
F |
H5a1 |
~2000 years |
|||
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Kytmanovo, Russia |
F999947 |
F |
U4d1 |
~2000 years |
|||
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Bystrovka, Russia |
F999960 |
F |
U5a1d |
3140 years |
|||
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Kytmanovo, Russia |
F999961 |
U2e2 |
3328 years |
||||
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Kytmanovo, Russia |
F999962 |
M |
J-CTS3732 |
C4a1d |
1208 years |
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Kytmanovo, Russia |
F999953 |
U4a1b |
3391 years |
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Bateni, Russia |
F999942 |
F |
T2c |
4186 years |
|||
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Bateni, Russia |
F999967 |
F |
J2a2a |
4224 years |
|||
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Kapova cave, Russia |
F999966 |
G2a1 |
3192 years |
||||
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Temrta IV, Russia |
F999968 |
M |
R-L23 |
U4 |
~2000 years |
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Ulan IV, Russia |
F999946 |
M |
I-S12195 |
T2a1a |
3940 years |
RISE552 has matches with living people |
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Brandysek, Czech Republic |
F999954 |
H1af2 |
~2000 years |
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Velke Prilepy, Czech Republic |
F999951 |
T2b |
~2000 years |
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Verh-Uimon, Russia |
F999969 |
M |
M8a1 |
~2000 years |
|||
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Sary-Bel, Russia |
F999965 |
M |
J-M410 |
C4 |
~2000 years |
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Rio Doce, Minas Gerais, Brazil |
F999963 |
M |
C-PH3092 |
B4a1a1a |
~1600 AD |
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Rio Doce, Minas Gerais, Brazil |
F999964 |
M |
C-Z31878 |
B4a1a1 |
~1600 AD |
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Kennewick, Washington state, USA |
F999970 |
M |
Q-M199 |
X2a |
8358 years |
转发《常染色体所见的东南亚人群以及“澳美人种”来源问题》
最有意思的是东南亚部分:作者认为negrito起源于中南半岛,经过印尼北部然后再北上菲律宾的(印尼西部的negrito成分也很高);南亚成分/美拉尼西亚成分也起源于中南半岛;而南岛人起源于台湾一路南下,在很多民族中都有高频分布;巽他海峡是一个重要分界线,以东有大量美拉尼西亚成分,以西则是南亚成分的高频区域。
http://download.springer.com/static/pdf/46/art:10.1186/s13323-015-0024-0.pdf?originUrl=http://investigativegenetics.biomedcentral.com/article/10.1186/s13323-015-0024-0&token2=exp=1477126797~acl=/static/pdf/46/art%3A10.1186%2Fs13323-015-0024-0.pdf*~hmac=af99f69a1080870a1226a23e
同时对于亚美人种也做了分析。
内部关系也是很复杂的,与汉族最相近的是北美北部的Chipewyan族群。
与汉族关系最远的是中美洲Zepotc和南美洲的Karitiana,分开已经N多年了。。。还有研究显示karitiana还和澳洲土著有混血?(维基百科A 2015 research paper showed that the Karitiana, along with other indigenous peoples of the Amazon, have partial genetic ancestry from indigenous Australasians.[7]比较有意思的是因纽特人和同属于因纽特人的东西伯利亚(近白令海峡)的Naukan人,其实这群人的主体血缘也和汉族分离很久了,但是其形成之初就有与chipewyan的43%共祖血统,并且Naukan与大多数inuit人的差异在于其与汉族有近期的一小部分混血。。。
本帖最后由 imvivi001 于 2016-10-22 23:15 编辑
这张图应该存在问题,把汉族这个血统混杂同时形成历史相对比较晚近的超级民族,与Chipewyan、Zepotc、Karitiana、Naukan、chipewyan、inuit这些人口稀少相对比较纯粹的族群放到同一颗发生树做比较显然是不合适的,比较合理的方法是做常染的PCA或MDS比较分析才可以比较准确地看出相互之间的距离。
看Mathieson、 Lazaridis、赖希团队去年的Genome-wide patterns of selection in 230 ancient Eurasians一文提到,在八千年前的瑞典motala古人中,六个样本居然发现3个有370a变异,难道现代意义上的东亚人这么早就殖民去了北欧? 目前暂时没查到这些人的y-snp。
根据文中,这些明显带有东亚血统的瑞典古人,同时也携带现代北欧人的特色变异(比如浅色眼眸与浅肤色),母系是欧洲北部常见的mtU5支系,应该是一个混血族群。不过目前欧洲方面的公开报道仅提及他们当中的y有一例y-I2与一例I2a(红发白肤),其他y类型则未见报道,感觉欧洲学者有一种讳莫如深的感觉,结合现在欧洲分子人类学论坛上许多欧洲坛友对自身东亚血统极力撇清的种族主义倾向态度,因此我有理由猜测其他的y类型极有可能是y-N1c 即早期的乌拉尔语系人群。
罗马尼亚的oase古人可追溯到37kya,比利时的C1a样本要比oase晚两三千年。不过我还是认为包括C1a,I,K2a,C1b在内的单倍群都是从43000年前左右开始第一批进入欧洲的现代人,可能在进入时间及路线上会有差别。
http://s1/mw690/005OOLMVzy7f9FYkzzad0&690》" TITLE="转发《古DNA数据表明5000年以前老欧洲人父系主要是C和I
http://s4/mw690/005OOLMVzy7f9FYpCCf73&690》" TITLE="转发《古DNA数据表明5000年以前老欧洲人父系主要是C和I
顺便说一下,乌斯季伊施姆的母系也和田园洞一样是PRE-B,欧洲的OASE在系统树上也和NO更近,但比乌斯季伊施姆更早分化出来。
链接已经给出了乌斯季辛古人和K2a共享的位点。
We
identified the haplogroup for each Y chromosome using the mutations
described in the Y-DNA Haplogroup Tree (Y-DNA Haplogroup tree 2013
in]http://www.isogg.org/tree ;.
你如果看不懂这个,还说什么,我给的链接已经给出了其和K2a共享的位点
sahaliyan 发表于 2016-10-31 11:47
你引用的红线部分只是说乌斯季辛古人属于K2,这个我上面的帖子已经标示了,不知道你想反驳什么?
10-30-2014, 09:54 AM #24
lgmayka
10-30-2014, 09:54 AM #24
lgmayka
G. Magoon just announced this on a mailing list:
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I've just been taking a look at the chrY data for the ancient genome described here:http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture13810.html (data just became available today). The authors of the paper classify him as K(xLT), but that is based on an older tree. I've been looking at the results in the context of our tree and a preliminary look suggests that this will split the SNPs we have as defining "Hg-X" into two levels. In particular, his results suggest he is:
CTS11667+
Z4842/M2308+
Z12216-
Z4845/M2313-
Z12176-
Z4952/M2339-
F650/M2346-
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On YFull's haplotree, then, this man from 45,000 years ago has some but not all of the SNPs associated with K-M2335, which is essentially pre-NO.
仔细看看这个,还要多说什么吗
请特别注意你这里引用的G. Magoon 所犯的错误,显然他没有搞清楚F650/M2346与现在K2a的等位关系,不过考虑到当年他不可能知道现在的Y发生树的变化情有可原,但是你一个本坛老会员兼高级会员,人云亦云再犯这样的简单错误则太不应该了。那帖子下已经明确了这个是K2a2,而乌斯季伊施姆相对其他K2和NO共享一系列SNP,可以定义K2a,脑子没坏的都能看出来。那个两年前的“古代坛友”所犯的错误,难不成就成了今天的你原版照抄变身正确的依据?
菲律宾尼格利托和巴布亚人是同一支系。

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