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克谈教育(二)(中英对照)

(2010-05-04 06:08:43)
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K: Take, if one has this total feeling of responsibility then what is your responsibility with regard to your children? It means education. Are you educating them to bring about a mind that conforms to the pattern which the society has established, which means you accept the immorality of the society that is. If you feel totally responsible you are responsible from the moment its born until the moment it dies. The right kind of education, not the education of making the child conform, the worship of success and the division of nationalities which brings about war. You follow, all that you are responsible for, not just in a particular direction. Even if you are in a particular direction, I'm responsible for my act, what is your action based on? How can you be responsible, when you, your action is the result of a formula that has been handed down to you?
克:举个例子,如果你有这种完全的责任感,那么你对你的孩子的责任是什么?那意味着教育。你对他们的教育,是不是为了造就他们遵从现有社会模式的心智,也就意味着你接受了现有社会的不道德。如果你感觉到要完全负责任,你就会从他出生的那一刻到他死亡的那一刻都负责到底。正确的教育,不是让孩子遵从的教育,不是让孩子崇拜成功的教育,不是带来战争的民族分别的教育。你明白吗,所有这些你都得负责,不是只负责某个特定的方面。即使你处于某个特定的方向,我对我的行为负责,而你的行为是以什么为基础的?当你,你的行为只是你因循传承下来的模式的产物,你怎么可能是负责任的?

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K: When you feel responsible, feel responsible for education of your children, not only your's, children. Are you educating them to conform to a society, are you educating them to merely acquire a job? Are you educating them to the continuity of what has been? Are you educating them to live in abstractions, as we are doing now? So what is your responsibility as a father, mother, it doesn't matter who you are, responsible in education, for the education of a human being. That's one problem. What is your responsibility, if you feel responsible, for human growth, human culture, human goodness? What's your responsibility to the earth, do you follow? It is a tremendous thing to feel responsible. ...And also, you see, with responsibility goes love, care, attention.
克:如果你感觉有责任,对你的孩子的教育有责任,不只是你的孩子,所有孩子。你是教育他们去遵从社会吗,教育他们仅仅是为了找到一份工作?或者教育他们继续现存的一切?你是教育他们活在抽象的概念里面吗,像我们一样?所以,作为一个父亲,一个母亲,不管你是谁,你的责任是什么,在教育中负责,对一个人类的教育负责。这是同一个问题。如果你觉得要对人类的发展,人类的文化,人类的良善负责,那么你的责任是什么?你对地球的责任是什么?你明白吗?感觉到有责任是极其了不起的一件事。...而且,你看,伴随着责任感,就有了爱,关怀,关注。
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K: Yes, but one has to find out what is the relationship of the teacher to the student.
克:是的,但是你得先去发现老师和学生之间的关系是什么。
     A: Yes, yes. I quite see that.
安:是的,是的。我很清楚这点。
     K: What is the relationship? Is he merely an informer, giving information to the child? Any machine can do that.
克:那关系是什么?他只是个教导者,给孩子知识吗?机器都能做到这点。
     A: Oh yes, the library is filled with it.
安:哦是的,图书馆里到处都是(知识)。
     K: Any machine can do that. Or what is his relationship? Does he put himself on a pedestal, up there and his student down there. Or is the relationship between the teacher and the student, is it a relationship in which there is learning on the part of the teacher as well as the student. Learning.
克:机器都能做到这点。那么他的关系是什么?是不是就是他把自己搁讲台上,他在上边,学生在下边?还是老师和学生之间的关系,其中不只是学生在学习而且老师也在学习?学习。
     A: Yes.
安:是的。
     K: Not I have learned and I am going to teach you. Therefore in that there is a division between the teacher and the student. But when there is learning on the part of the teacher as well as on the part of the student there is no division. Both are learning.
克:不是我学到了,我要教给你。那么其中就有了师生之间的分离。但是当学生学习的同时老师也在学习的话,就没有这种分离。都在学习。
     A: Yes.
安:是的。
     K: And therefore that relationship brings about a companionship.
克:那么这种关系就带来了一种友谊。
     A: A sharing.
安:一种分享。
     K: A sharing.
克:一种分享。
     A: A sharing. Yes.
安:是的,一种分享。
     K: Taking a journey together. And therefore an infinite care on both sides. So it means how is the teacher to teach mathematics, or whatever it is, to the student and yet teach it in such a way that you awaken the intelligence in the child, not simply about mathematics.
克:一起踏上旅程。因而双方都有一种无限的关怀。所以就意味着,老师要如何向学生教授数学,或者别的科目,同时在这种教授的方式中,你在唤醒孩子身上的智慧,而不只是简单地教数学。
     A: No, no of course not. No. Yes.
安:不,当然不是。不。是的。
     K: And how do you bring this act of teaching in which there is order, because mathematic means order, the highest form of order is mathematics - now how will you convey to the student in teaching mathematics that there should be order in his life? Not order according to a blueprint. That's not order.
克:要怎样带来这样的教学行为,其中有秩序,因为数学本身就意味着秩序,最高形式的秩序是数学----那么你要怎样在教数学的过程中传达给学生们,他的生活也应该是有秩序的?不是根据蓝图的秩序。那不是秩序。


出处:SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA 19TH FEBRUARY 1974 4TH CONVERSATION WITH DR. ALLAN W. ANDERSON 'RESPONSIBILITY AND RELATIONSHIP'

 

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K: Sir, from this arises, can one educate a student to live a life of non comparison - bigger car, lesser car, you follow?
克:先生,从这里提出一个问题,一个人能不能教育学生过一种没有比较的生活----大一些的车,小一点的车,你明白吗?
     A: Yes.
安:是的。
     K: Dull, you are clever, I am not clever. What happens if I don't compare at all? Will I become dull?
克:愚笨,你聪明,我不聪明。如果我根本不比较那会发生什么?我还会变笨吗?
     A: On the contrary.
安:正相反。
     K: I'm only dull, I know I'm dull only through comparison. If I don't compare, I don't know what I am. Then I begin from there.
克:只有通过比较我才会变笨,我才知道自己笨。如果我不比较,我就不知道我是怎样的。然后我就从那里开始。
     A: Yes, yes. The world becomes infinitely accessible.
安:是的,是的。整个世界就变得无限可及。
     K: Oh, then the whole thing becomes extraordinarily different. There is no competition, there is no anxiety, there is no conflict with each other.
克:哦,然后整件事就变得格外不同。没有竞争,没有焦虑,没有彼此间的冲突。
     A: This is why you use the word total often, isn't it.
安:这就是为什么你经常用完整这个词,对不对。
K: Yes.
克:是的。

出处:SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA 20TH FEBRUARY 1974 5TH CONVERSATION WITH DR. ALLAN W. ANDERSON 'ORDER'

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