Butterfly：nightmare also is one kind of way that fear try to express, right?

梦蝶：噩梦也是恐惧试图表达的一种方式，对吗？

Deepak：yes but its a way of expression_r without your consent , rather its a way of expression_r forced upon u , coz u suppress the expression_r of fear ,so it tries to force through nightmares, which instead of dissolving fear ,may make it more strong ,& a new fear is born ,called fear of sleeping due to nightmares, or the fear of nightmares, that’s why a conscious & deliberate effort is required to dissolve the fear ,as fear is a part of conditioning ,so it can be dissolved by dissolving that conditioning & having new improved & better conditioning concerned to the fear only

迪帕克博士：是的，但它是一种未经你同意的表达，准确点说它是一种强加于你的表达，因为你抑制恐惧的表达，因此它试图通过噩梦来强迫。它不但不溶解恐惧，反而使恐惧更强，且产生新的恐惧，称为基于噩梦的睡眠恐惧，或噩梦恐惧，即为何需要有意识的，有准备的努力来溶解恐惧，因为恐惧是环境条件的一部分，因此可以通过溶解该恐惧有关的环境条件，得到新改善的、更好的环境条件，该恐惧可被溶解。

fear begins with a very small seed sown in childhood ,by the time we grow up that seed is no more there .it has grown in to a big tree ,even cutting root will not suffice ,we need to turn that tree from a poisonous tree to a sweet fruit tree, we cant abolish that tree ,so we turn an enemy in to friend

恐惧在童年时期就播下了一棵很小的种子，随着我们的长大，该种子已不在，它长成了大树，甚至除根都不行，我们需要将该有毒的树转化为甜蜜果实的树，我们不能废除那棵树，故我们需要化敌为友。

conscious thinking is directly connected to out ward senses, whereas for dissolution we need to turn our sense inwards, to look upon that tree of fear

有意识的思考直接连接外部感官，而要解除恐惧，我们需要将感官转向内，以观照恐惧树。

Butterfly：why the root cant cut? too difficult?

梦蝶：为何不能除根？太难了吗？

Deepak：fear begins with small things ,like fear of dark or cat or dog or some figure in picture etc. that fear instead of dissolving by the help of parents or elders .they use it as a tool to scare child & make it do the things like eating more or drinking milk or studying hard or learning manners ... etc.

迪帕克博士：恐惧始于小事，像恐惧黑暗、或猫、狗、或一些图片上的人物，等等。父母或长辈他们不帮助化解恐惧，却用它作为吓唬孩子的工具，让他们就范，像多吃、喝牛奶、或刻苦学习、学礼貌等等。

then in the process of natural growth ，child develops a sense of self ,that sense of self is converted in ego by conditioning, conditioning of comparison .like parents want their child to be better than every body else ,it means that child has to compare itself with every body ,this comparison goes on growing ,& turns in to the competition in later life

然后，在自然成长过程中，孩子产生自我感（sense of self），该自我感被环境条件、比较环境修改为EGO。像父母想要他们的孩子比任何人好，意味着孩子不得不将自己与每个人比较，该比较继续成长，在其后的生活中变成竞争。

with these comparison & competition the smaller fears turn into big fears like .fear of loosing ,fear of insecurity, fear of performance ,fear of being insulted in colleagues, fear of being a failure , these all r big fears which people see & face everyday little by little

随着这些比较及竞争，小恐惧变成大恐惧，如不稳定恐惧、不安全感恐惧、成绩恐惧、被同事侮辱的恐惧、失败的恐惧等等，这些是人们每天逐渐看见及面对的大恐惧。

as we cant see the full blown figure of fear ,we cant abolish it ,& the seed was so small ,but the conditioning of not facing the fear & use of fear as a tool to get things done ,becomes a big fear ,so person wont share the fear ,coz he or she is scared the his friends or other people may use his fear as tool to compel him to do things which he doesn’t want to ,so the fear keeps on growing inside ,now to cut it or cut its root ,we need to undo or dissolve all the past conditionings,& that will be like brain washing ,but it will generate other kinds of fear , like fear of memory or remembering something ,so the real & easy way is to face fear ,& turn in to from an enemy to a friend ,we can do that by understanding & realizing the reason of fear ,so we close out ward senses & turn them to inwards, where we can face fear without any outside disturbance or escape route ..

由于我们不能看见恐惧的全貌，我们不能废除它。恐惧的种子原本很小，但不面对恐惧、利用恐惧作为逼他人就范工具的环境条件，使小恐惧变为大恐惧。人们不想分享恐惧，因为他们害怕他人利用他们的恐惧，作为强迫他们做其不想做事情的工具，因而恐惧在内继续生长，现在要砍伐或除根，我们需要销毁或溶解所有过去环境条件内，就像洗脑一样，但它也产生其他恐惧，像记忆或回忆某些事的恐惧，因此真正及容易的方法是面对恐惧，通过理解及认识恐惧的原因，我们能做到化敌为友。所以我们关闭外在感官，将其转向内，在内，我们无任何外界干扰或迂回路线，直接面对恐惧。

Butterfly：so how to turn that tree from a poisonous tree to a sweet fruit tree?

梦蝶：那么如何将那棵有毒的树变成甜蜜果实的树呢？

Deepak：that tree of fear is bare ,no leaf no fruit ,no shadow ,& lot of thorns ,which keep on hurting ,every thorn is a part of ego conditioning ,so every where u turn that tree hurts ,so when u face it & allow your mind to observe calmly & understand it ,so it can dissolve the thorns of that tree ,means that u allow your mind to dissolve the fears created by ego ,so that tree is no more huts & harmful ,so it can start growing ,with green leaves flowers & fruits ,so the fears r no more there ,but the courage to face the fear & to seat under the shadow of the fear tree

迪帕克博士：那棵恐惧树是光秃秃的，没有叶子，没有果实，没有荫凉，许多刺，不断刺痛，每根刺都是EGO环境条件的一部分，因此在你转化该树刺痛的地方，当你面对它，容许你的“心”平静观察，并理解它，能溶解那棵树的刺，意味着你容许“心”溶解由EGO制造的恐惧，因此那棵树不复刺痛，它开始长出绿叶、鲜花及果实，恐惧不复存在，而那面对恐惧，及坐在恐惧树阴影下的勇气……

Butterfly：make the tree fruit

梦蝶：使那棵树结果！

deepak: yes

迪帕克博士：对！ 

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