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Rom Landau:克里希那穆提访谈(节选之一,戒烟与冥想体验)

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Rom Landau:克里希那穆提访谈(节选之一,戒烟与冥想体验)

 

(转自:http://bbs.klxl.org/ShowPost.asp?id=1535

 

Rom Landau是一位保加利亚作者。他在Krishnamurti解散明星社之前(大概是1928年左右),参加了神通学会组织的,以Krishnamurti为中心的活动,并与Krishnamurti有过接触的机会。由于没有钱买火车票,他是从保加利亚徒步走了六个星期,才到达活动地点的。

不久之后,他听说Krishnamurti解散了明星社。

几年之后,大概是1934年,他去美国再一次拜访了Krishnamurti。这时他是作为一位作者去的,带有一定的采访性质。他和Krishnamurti在一起生活了几天,问了很多个人性质的问题,包括Krishnamurti个人生活,以及他对生活的观点。

1935年,他出版了一本书:“God is my Adventure,A Book on Modern Mystics, Masters and Teachers”。该书记录了对多位现代宗教人物的访问。

该书对他与Krishnamurti的接触与访谈有详细记录。但是因为太长,这里没法写出来。不知道能否找到电子版本。下面摘录了一个最短的故事。故事内容不一定有很特别的意义。但是有一点趣味性。


Rom Landau的小故事:


有一两个经历大概可以说明Krishnamurti对我的生活产生了多么真实的影响。也许这可以看成仅仅是一种巧合,在那个下着雨的星期日早上,当我第一次遇见Krishnamurti后,我戒烟了。我从十七岁开始就一直吸烟,一般是每天30支烟。我已经成为这个习惯的奴隶。尽管如此,我从来没有试图戒过烟,因为我从没看到任何有说服力的理由戒烟。即使到了今天我也无法清楚地解释为什么会在见到Krishnamurti那天戒了烟。我和他没有讨论这个话题,我也不知道他本人不吸烟。但当时却感到立刻停止吸烟是最自然事。虽然此后很多天里,我口袋里还一直放着一包烟,但我却从来没感到想再点一支烟。直到今天我也没有再吸过烟。

另外一件事更难描述一些。很长时间以来我一直试着在晚上静坐冥想某个主题。我通常是睡觉前在床上做。几个月以来,我的冥想最后都会达到某个点,然后就不行了。要么我的注意力发生动摇,要么在超过那个点以前就睡着了。在我遇见 Krishnamurti之后几天我第一次成功了。我感觉到我在一个深深的井里下沉。虽然这个井看上去似乎没有底,但是我却同时有着两种相反的感觉,那就是一面在继续下沉,一面又感到已经到底了。与此相伴随的是非常鲜明的光的感觉。而最强烈的感受是,同时感受到一个巨大的感情冲击与一种数学的启示。最后这个感觉是非常难以描述的:没有什么比喻或者比较能够正确地表达它。虽然我不想声称我的体验有什么神秘的意义,但是我觉得把它翻译成语言的最好办法,就是引用一位比我更善于描写的人。

Dean Inge有一次描述神秘经验时是这样说的:“能够描述并传达给他人的不是这个体验本身,而是体验者试图把它留在自己记忆中所用的一些不能胜任的符号... 但是这种体验,它拥有着体验者而不是被体验者拥有,究其本性来说是短暂的,就像日落的景象一样...语言,作为不是为了这个目的而创造的工具,很不幸没有办法再现哪怕是它的一个暗淡的影子。”

但我可以说的是,我的体验的最高点使我感到了无法形容的幸福。这是一种如此强烈的幸福,以至于几乎像是一种生理的快乐或者生理的痛苦。快乐与痛苦之间的区别似乎消失了。这个时刻持续了多久我不知道,但是我猜大概不会多于几分之一秒。在它结束的时候,我醒着而且完全知觉。我以深深的感激之心为自己记录下了这次体验。

上述两个经历使我觉得Krishnamurti对我的作用是如此重要,以至于我要不顾自己理智上的反抗而行动。

以下为原文:

One or two experiences may help to show what a real influence Krishnamurti had on my life. It may be considered a mere coincidence that when I met Krishnamurti for the first time, on that rainy Sunday morning in Westminster, I gave up smoking. I had smoked since I was seventeen, usually thirty cigarettes a day, and I had become something of a slave to the habit. Nevertheless I had never tried to give up smoking, because I had never seen any convincing reason for so doing. Even today I cannot explain clearly why I should have given it up the day I met Krishnamurti. We did not discuss this subject, I did not know that he himself did not smoke. And yet to give up smoking at once seemed the most natural thing. Though I carried a cigarette case in my pocket for many days I never felt tempted to light another cigarette. Nor have I smoked since.

The other incidence is more difficult to describe. I had been trying for a long time to meditate in the evenings on a particular subject. I used to do it in bed before going to sleep. For months on end I would reach a certain point in my meditation after which it would break up. Either my attention would falter or else I fell asleep before getting beyond the particular point. A few days after I had met Krishnamurti I succeeded for the first time. I experienced the feeling of sinking into a deep well. Though the well seemed bottomless I had simultaneously the two opposed sensations of going on sinking and yet of having reached the bottom. This was accompanied by a very vivid impression of light. The strongest impression, however, was of receiving at once an emotional shock and a mathematical revelation. It is difficult to describe this last sensation: no metaphor or comparison represents it correctly. Though I do not claim any mystical significance for my experience, I can best translate it into words by quoting an abler pen than my own. When Dean Inge once described mystical experiences he said: "What can be described and handed on is not the vision itself but the inadequate symbols in which the seer tries to preserve it in memory...But such experiences, which rather possess a man than are possessed by him, are in their nature as transient as the glories of a sunset...Language, which was not made for such purposes, fails lamentably to reproduce even their pale reflection". What, however, can be said is the fact that the culminating point of my experience made me unspeakably happy. It was such an acute happiness that it was almost like a feeling of physical delight or physical pain. The division between delight and pain seemed lifted. How long the moment lasted I could not tell; but I imagine it to have been no more than the fraction of a second. When it was all over, I was awake and fully conscious, and I recorded my experience to myself with a feeling of deep gratitude.

The above experiences showed me that Krishnamurti's effect upon me was vital enough to act even against my intellectual resistance.

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